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letenje v Avstriji

Postby igorer » Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:45

Vem, da sem to že nekje videl, samo ne najdem, pa bom kar načel novo temo. Avstrijci so nam sporočili, da lahko letimo v Avstriji, ker so naše licence OK.

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Re: letenje v Avstriji

Postby SrečkoJ » Sun Feb 23, 2014 14:12

Iz ZPLS smo jim poslali kopijo obrazca naše licence, tako da smo na spisku potrjenih.

Lani so bili veliki problemi z dovoljenjem letenja tujcev, predvsem v Gerlitzenu. Precej je k tej sedanji novi odločitvi pripomoglo tudi uradno pismo iz strani EHPU, katere člani smo, ki je bilo prejšnji teden poslano na naslov avstrijskega ministrstva:


To:
Bundesministerium für Verkehr (BMVIT)
Federal Minister Doris Bures
Radetzkystraße 2
1030 Wien
Austria


Regarding: Hang gliding and paragliding restrictions on foreign pilots in Austria.

Dear Federal Minister Bures,

The European Hang Gliding & Paragliding Union represents national associations in 19 European countries with more than 100.000 Hang Glider and Paraglider pilots.

Austria is a very popular country for hang gliding and paragliding. Many pilots and their families spend their "flying holidays” in Austria every year. A large number of pilots from all European countries have practiced their sport in Austria during the past 30 years.

It has always been the position that to fly as a guest in other European countries it is sufficient to carry an FAI Sporting Licence or IPPI Card (International Pilot Proficiency Information) together with the pilot’s foreign national licence. For more than 30 years in Europe there has not been a problem with this internationally recognised system that is provided by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale, the world airsports federation.

We have been informed by paraglider pilots from Italy and other European countries who have visited Austria recently that they have been punished because their National Licence was not recognized by the Austrian National Aviation Authority.

Various Austrian organisations have told us that Austrian Aviation Authorities introduced a new guest flight regulation (§132a) in Austria in October 2013, and that not all European sports flying licences are legally accepted to fly in Austria at the moment.

The 2014 flying season will be with us soon and many European Hang Glider and Paraglider pilots are looking forward to spending their holidays in Austria. It would be most appreciated if Austria would recognise other European National Licences, supported by an IPPI-Card, as most other European countries already do.

It is a matter of regret to the members of the EHPU that Austria appears to have introduced one of the most restrictive and inhospitable laws in the European Union. This will restrict free movement and limit the possibility for practicing our sport.

We therefore ask you as the national authority to ensure that foreign guest pilots are not prohibited from flying in Austria by the new guest flight regulation, after all, Austrian pilots' licences are recognised in other European countries.


Please send any reply to this letter to ehpu@ehpu.org
Or: Rasmus Rohlff, EHPU General Secretary, Vagtelvej 15, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark.
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Re: letenje v Avstriji

Postby Silver surfer » Sun Feb 23, 2014 21:55

Hja, očitno pismo EHPU ni kaj dosti pomagalo, saj piloti iz držav kjer dovoljenja/licence izdajajo njihove zveze, še vedno nimajo kaj letati po Avstriji. Zaenkrat priznavajo samo "državna" dovoljenja. Ordnung und disciplin!
No ja mogoče se bodo spametovali in malo popustili, ampak pri njih nikoli ne veš.
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Re: letenje v Avstriji

Postby jurijf » Mon Feb 24, 2014 19:41

Ni za mislit, da bi takole pismo pomagalo čez noč, birokratski mlini meljejo počasi, tako da je še dovolj časa do bomo videli, kako se bo stvar razvila.
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Re: letenje v Avstriji

Postby SrečkoJ » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:05

V Avstriji se stvar še bolj zaostruje, tokrat so se "spomnili" na transponderje. Naprošajo nas, da obvestimo društva in naše jadralne padalce in zmajarje, da jim pomagamo s podpisom peticije.

Hello, Mr. Jost
Dear Neighbors,

We have major airspace problems in Austria.
The ministery of transport (BMVIT) wants to introduce zones which cover big parts of our country, where every aircraft, including HG and PG has to carry a transponder, (Transponder mandatory zones), starting at 5.500 ft.
Even though no country around us has similar plans in the moment, there’s a big danger, that other ones will follow.
The AustroControl wants to fulfill a dubious EU-directive which, how they say, is so complicated, that only a lawyer is able to understand the juristically codified text.
The Austrian roofing bond of HG and PG pilots, the Austrian Aeroclub, is caught in a dilemma: It also represents the Austrian motor- and IFR-pilots.
We therefore have founded our own platform which tries to prevent the nonsense of a transponder-bondage for hanggliders and paragliders.

A few weeks ago we have started an international online-petition to Mrs Bures, the Austrian minister of transport not to introduce transponder-bondage for Hanggliders and Paragliders.

We ask you to link it to your website and to send it to your clubs to do the same. Of course we will support similar petitions in your country.


Link of the Austrian Petition:

https://secure.avaaz.org/de/petition/au ... _AUT/?pv=5


Thermal greetings,

Daniel Vidic,
Reporter of the Hanggliding Club Graz Styria
on behalf of the platform Vol Libre
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Re: letenje v Avstriji

Postby SrečkoJ » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:59

Še mail od g. Petra Brandlehnerja, avstrijskega predstavnika v European Handgiding and Paragliding Union (EHPU).
Kot vidimo imajo naši bližnji sosedi precej težav. Glede na izkušnje zadnjih let, oblastniki (vlade, ministrstva) v evropskih državah težijo k zaostrovanju pogojev za naše letenje v zračnem prostoru. Kot enotna evropska zveza nastopamo pri zastopanju naših pravic in poskušamo sodelovati pri reševanju težav in zapletov.

Ker se pri nas pričenja obdobje zelo ugodnih pogojev za letenje, pozivamo pilote jadralnih padal in zmajev, da upoštevajo letalska pravila in predpise, ki so veljavni v Uredbo o JP in JZ. S tem se bomo izognili kakšnim morebitnim sprejemanjem prepovedi in omejitev tudi v naši "deželi".


Mail:

As you can see, Austrian HG/PG pilots have more than one problem. First good news: 10 days ago we solved the problem with flying over our "Nationalpark Hohe Tauern" and there will be no new restrictions in the amended law..
Our second problem are the restrictions for foreign pilots and I like to thank you all for your help and the letters to our Austrian Minister of Transport. I hope, this problem will be solved soon.

And now to the third problem. I`m thinking, this is not only an Austrian problem. The directions are coming from the EASA that the countries of the EU have to adjust their airspace and and one part is to install "Transponder Mandatory Zones (TMZ)".
This week at the EASA Meeting in Köln, Germany, our airspace experts are fighting for an exemption for unmotorised HG/PG and gliders like in Germany. On the other hand our experts negotiate with the Austrocontrol on the lower limits for TMZ and their last proposal is about 11.500 ft. At the moment we have 12.500 ft so the difference is not so seriously.

A private group of paragliders startet the petition:
https://secure.avaaz.org/de/petition/au ... _AUT/?pv=5
Although the informations are not up to date, we think, it could be helpful and does no harm, if a lot of pilots sign this petition.

Best regards, Peter
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Markt 200, 5441 Abtenau
mailto:peter@brandlehner.at
phone: +43-680 2048547
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Re: letenje v Avstriji

Postby igorer » Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:19

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Re: letenje v Avstriji

Postby SrečkoJ » Thu Feb 27, 2014 11:37

Igor, tole kar si prilepil, je že objavljeno višje in je šlo tudi na naslove društev. Naprošam te, da popraviš link, do sedaj je bil pravi, tale pa ne gre ravno na pravo povezavo.
Lahko pa tudi vse zbrišeš, da ne bo dvakrat isto.

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Re: letenje v Avstriji

Postby igorer » Fri Feb 28, 2014 11:06

Nisem opazil, da je že gor. Sorry. Sem zbrisal.

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Re: letenje v Avstriji

Postby igorer » Mon Jul 07, 2014 22:13

Zadnjih nekaj dni ste me zopet kar nekajkrat vprašali kako je z našimi licencami v Avstriji. Stran 7, piše da so naše licence OK.


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/20351735/validation%20of%20HG%20licences.pptx

Kar pa se tiče komercialnega tandemiranja v Avstriji, pa vam žal ne znam povedat. O tem se boste morali obrniti na njih.
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Re: letenje v Avstriji

Postby jurijf » Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:48

Marion na strani 5 zgleda bolje s črno fliko čez oči :-)
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Re: letenje v Avstriji

Postby igorer » Thu Feb 16, 2017 13:06

Finally after an extremely long public viewing the Austrian “Guest flying regulations” are officially published – the decree will be in force by March 1st 2017. Very liberal regulations will apply.
Any holder of a hang gliding and/or paragliding license from following countries will be allowed to fly legally in Austria. Attention: This does not include tandem and paramotor licenses.
1. Australia
2. Denmark,
3. Germany
4. France
5. Italy
6. Croatia,
7. Lithuania
8. Netherlands,
9. Norway
10. Poland
11. Portugal,
12. Romania
13. Sweden,
14. Switzerland,
15. Slovakia,
16. Slovenia
17. Czech Republic
18. Ukraine,
19. Hungary
20. Great Britain

Colleagues not having a licence as listed above are advised to contact an Austrian Flying-School to obtain an official „Guest Flying License“.
Please be aware that for flying in Austria a 3rd party liability insurance up to SDR 750.000 is compulsory. We also recommend sufficient coverage for search and rescue – as helicopter costs can be quite high. For any queries in regard of insurance please contact us: axa@fly-koessen.at or visit our website www.flugschulen.at/axa/english
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Re: letenje v Avstriji

Postby igor » Thu Feb 16, 2017 13:35

Zdravo!

Enkrat si na sestanku ZPLS predlagal/predstavil eno zavarovanje (Švedska zavarovalnica?), kot predlog nadgradnje ZPLS zavarovanja oz. opcijsko. Je to še aktualno oz. bo ZPLS kaj naredila na to temo? Nam lahko to predstaviš še enkrat tukaj?

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Re: letenje v Avstriji

Postby igorer » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:34

Takrat je bilo rečeno, da za Slovenijo še ni, tudi kakšno leto kasneje. Bom zopet malo povprašal, kako je s to stvarjo. Ker cena je bila takrat res ugodna.
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Re: letenje v Avstriji

Postby SrečkoJ » Sat Feb 18, 2017 23:59

V poročilu g. Arne H. Hillestada, generalnega sekretarja Evropske zveze za prosto letenje, katere članica je tudi naša Zveza za prosto letenje Slovenije, na letošnji skupščini v februarju, je bilo glede zavarovanja podano naslednje:

“On the AGM, a common insurance for European pilots was a topic but work done after the meeting by two insurance broker gave no result in this direction.”

Torej, na lanski skupščini EHPU (Agenda General meeting-dnevni red ) - je bila to tema razgovora, vendar kasnejši razgovori z zavarovalničarji niso dali nobenih ugodnih rezultatov.

Še naprej ostaja najboljša varianta zavarovalnica Axa, objavljeno je na spletni strani ZPLS:
http://sffa.org/zavarovanje-axa

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